tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post3045347633421621946..comments2024-03-19T01:35:21.069-04:00Comments on The Closet Professor: Gays and the Old WestJoehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05299122685163501819noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-17416695894254953882023-01-25T03:59:58.228-05:002023-01-25T03:59:58.228-05:00@William Sommerwerck:
I find it hard to believe th...@William Sommerwerck:<br />I find it hard to believe that someone who could write "A Border Affair" hated women.RBIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06966744231220624052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-8196830636016246662023-01-25T03:43:05.621-05:002023-01-25T03:43:05.621-05:00Thanks for sharing, you old exhibitionist.Thanks for sharing, you old exhibitionist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-61722274190757621252021-10-21T14:09:10.665-04:002021-10-21T14:09:10.665-04:00The last time I was a working cowboy was 1983. You...The last time I was a working cowboy was 1983. You would be surprised how many of us exchanged blow jobs and anal sex. When you don't get to town often, it's not surprising. I got to where I love receiving anal sex, and still have old friends from the cowboy days stop in to give it to me. At 68, I really appreciate the thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-74488696432508623342014-05-21T18:26:24.597-04:002014-05-21T18:26:24.597-04:00So sad that Anonymous is a closted gay...I could n...So sad that Anonymous is a closted gay...I could never be so ashamed of myself that I couldn't show myself. Such a shame, Anonymous...come on outta that closet..you'll be a better person for it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-4103974957894065252013-08-26T06:59:11.653-04:002013-08-26T06:59:11.653-04:00cant undo what God created and that was man and wo...cant undo what God created and that was man and woman no more no less. so sad that gay people live a life of deceptionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-50108201492916159762013-02-07T09:32:04.812-05:002013-02-07T09:32:04.812-05:00Perhaps the ultimate unanswered question about sex...Perhaps the ultimate unanswered question about sex among cowboys is... What, exactly, was the nature of Charles Badger Clark Jr's sexuality?<br /><br />For those unfamiliar with Badger Clark, he's almost universally considered the dean of cowboy poets. "The Lost Pardner", a bluntly homoerotic and misogynistic poem, speaks the grief of a cowpoke when his best friend is thrown and dies (the most-common cause of death among cowboys). Despite its suggestion of a sexual relation between the characters, it remains one of the most-popular and most-often recited cowboy poems (by any writer), probably because it so heart-breakingly expresses the depths of male friendship. If you have never read it, DO SO.<br /><br />But Badger Clark -- the well-educated son of a Methodist minister and a working cowboy for part of his life -- was a loner, and we know nothing about his sex life. He could have been a strictly heterosexual male who hated women. (There's no question that he hated women, which he made explicit in several poems. He told an interviewer that his short stories included women in romantic situations with men, because "this is what readers expect".) He might have been bisexual or homosexual. We simply don't know.<br /><br />However... You might want to look at his first publsihed short story, "The Man Kind", and ask yourself whether a strictly heterosexual man could have written it. There's also the poem "My Enemy". I've shown it to several hetero friends, and they all agree with my interpretation. Which I will withhold here, to avoid prejudicing the reader.<br /><br />Badger Clark wrote a poem about someone saying farewell to their lover, who's going off to fight in The Great War. When you first read it, you think both characters are men. Then you realize the speaker is woman. This poem has sometimes been passed off as male/male, but it isn't.William Sommerwercknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-37946248325951939832013-02-05T03:38:55.775-05:002013-02-05T03:38:55.775-05:00Well said anon. I've heard this poem all my l...Well said anon. I've heard this poem all my life and was always from a woman's prospective. And being told it was a long lost family member who wrote it in the first place, I tend to agree there is no homosexual overtone at all. Actually the story goes that my aunt ( of multiple greats ) was a nurse made who fell in love with a drover working for small ranch outside of Raton, New Mexico. She was a very intelligent woman who had a love of the arts and poetry. The cowpuncher she fell in love with was like most of us who push cattle (even now) was rarely home. The poem was her way of sharing that she was in love and willing to wait and understood he was not going to turn away from his Buckaroo life and settle down. Every woman who ever told my dear mom that they loved me, had to sit and listen to that poem. Not a single one has stuck around yet....... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-91095562598981204112012-11-23T10:52:57.949-05:002012-11-23T10:52:57.949-05:00This entire article is a huge stretch. A woman dre...This entire article is a huge stretch. A woman dressed as a man and pretended to be a man her entire adult life, thus she was LGBT? Maybe, just maybe, she lived in a society that rarely allowed woman to do something she had always wanted to do and on the occasion someone hired a woman, they'd pay her half.<br />The song at the end doesn't indicate homosexual relationship at all, either. It could very well be from the perspective of a woman who loves a cowboy. Just because it was written down by a man doesn't mean it wasn't written by a woman. I hate when historians try to force history to a predestinate conclusion. I am not saying there was no LGBT community in the west, just saying stop grasping at straws with non evidentiary nonsense like poems and females pretending to be males.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-14402046750222035832012-11-02T00:35:33.484-04:002012-11-02T00:35:33.484-04:00Were there any known young gay affluent southern g...Were there any known young gay affluent southern gentlemen? I'm talking, people with money. Not just gun slingers. I'm working on a story and would love to base it on a real person.Rylee Strangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11128871438570264589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-38479169829331126212011-09-04T19:36:26.523-04:002011-09-04T19:36:26.523-04:00Ciel, there were women who fought in both the Civi...Ciel, there were women who fought in both the Civil War and Revolutionary War. It's been going on since the time of the Amazonians. I did not know about the straight riders in gay rodeos, but it certainly makes sense. I have not read Coming Out Under Fire, but I will look into it. Thanks for the suggestion, and as always, thanks for the comment.<br /><br />Ace, I think it is often the case that so many of the things that modern society looks askance at were perfectly normal pre-1900. It's a shame that we can't have a good mix of the two time periods, I guess they were just too worried about other things than to worry about homosexuals and such.<br /><br />Silvereagle, any time in history when women were in the minority, they often had more power and privilege. It's amazing today that women are seen as a minority group because of the lack of equality when they are actually a majority of the population.<br /><br />Becca, I am glad that you find my posts so interesting. I just have a wide range of things that I am interested in, and I enjoy sharing it with my readers.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05299122685163501819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-51708729522382277652011-08-25T20:24:07.773-04:002011-08-25T20:24:07.773-04:00you have amazing range of subjects here and it con...you have amazing range of subjects here and it continues to amaze me...all the way from ancient Grece, to the cowboys of the "wild west. ypu truly are and amazing writer and i love it.<br /><br />love the poem you added at the end beautifulRebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213055916162799647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-57783594448710976702011-08-25T17:32:31.788-04:002011-08-25T17:32:31.788-04:00The amazing range of your subjects here continues ...The amazing range of your subjects here continues to amaze me...all the way from ancient Grece, to the cowboys of the "wild west", on up to more modern times.<br /><br />Now, as regards the west, I recall reading over the years of several females who were actual leaders in their various areas of life. They assumed roles traditionally thought of as male, and whatever their sexual inclinations may be questioned, but they did take on the male role.<br /><br />Again, a fascinating article! ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-30972659036389459042011-08-25T11:58:11.800-04:002011-08-25T11:58:11.800-04:00I wrote a paper a few years ago on the idea of hom...I wrote a paper a few years ago on the idea of homosexuality pre-1900. What interested me the most in my research was that acts of homosexuality and homoerotic behavior was perfectly normal between men and women back then. It was perfectly normal to see two men kissing affectionately and living together while sharing a bed. It simply wasn't talked about.<br /><br />Even in monasteries there was a great deal of homosexual behavior. Many would claim that the chastity vow was only for woman, but other would go on to say that the love of two men was a Godly beauty.<br /><br />Overall, the study of homosexual behavior in the years before it became incredibly stigmatized by researchers claiming it was a mental disorder or deviant behavior is very interesting.Acehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689622131508698674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5356114186987252972.post-60826444398191792352011-08-25T11:45:31.899-04:002011-08-25T11:45:31.899-04:00A subject I’ve always been interested in. It’s rat...A subject I’ve always been interested in. It’s rather amazing how homophobic communities have always engaged in gay sex when there is no other kind available. Looking at online photos of drunk frat boys, you’d swear they were dropped on all-male desert island and condemned to stay there for years. *g*<br /><br />I’d heard of other women masquerading as men. I believe one fought in the civil war, though I’ve forgotten her name. Many Western movies were often made with a 1950s sensibility that leads us to assume the west was all-white, all-straight, all the time, with the exception of an occasional Chinese person who played the roll of red-shirt on Star Trek.<br /><br />Btw, did you know that a lot of straight riders participate in gay rodeo these days? Some say they like it for the less macho posturing and more focus on actual ability. Gay rodeo also features drag shows and dancing. You have to have a pretty stiff wrist to ride a bucking bull, gay or straight. *g*<br /><br />I was wondering if you’d read the book Coming Out Under Fire, by Allan Berube? It’s a really fascinating book, based on some letters from gay service people during WW2. It covers not only the phenomenon of straights engaging in gay sex during shortages of opposite sex partners, but the US govt's active vilification of gays after the war.<br /><br />Apparently sodomy laws were more aimed at receivers than givers.<br /><br />Sorry, I’m all over the place. But do tell us more.<br />cielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com