Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Naked Male Camaraderie

_0piggybackfightAfter my rant yesterday about finding the right man, I thought I would lighten things up before I got to my next post which for me is a bit of a downer. So let’s talk about naked men…
BOTD-081310-002 For the past three decades, America seems to be getting more prudish than ever where nudity is concerned. Take the Janet Jackson episode during the Super Bowl a few years ago. Has America always been this prudish? In television and movies, yes, but in everyday life, I don’t believe the evidence supports it. John Quincy Adams used to get up two hours before sunrise to go skinny dipping in the Potomac River, and he was not even the only president to enjoy skinny dipping. Rumor has it that Harry Truman enjoyed swimming au naturel, and that Billy Graham went skinny dipping with Lyndon Johnson.
vintage_Harvard_rowing_crew_naked_5_13_09_wcmUntil the last three decades, American high school boys took showers after PE classes. Nudity in gyms showers was quite normal. Guys didn’t do the towel dance. If you were in the steam room or sauna, you went naked. You took your shower in the open, but now most guys wear towels in the steam room and sauna, and shower in private stalls.
Columbus,OhioYMCA1930s What’s so odd is that 40 years ago, nude swimming was the norm. It’s what was acceptable. Below, you can see that they even used to shower in groups before they jumped in the pool.
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A paradigm shift has happened and I’m curious as to why? I really can’t help but wonder — of all the factors that have gone into this shift. The YMCAs used to enforce nude swimming and many, like the one below, even gyms right above or next to the pool. Between laps, guys would just head over and lift weights — yes, completely nude.
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From the 1890s to the 1930s, men who swam at the YMCA did so in the nude, apparently wool swimsuits (the fashion of the time) clogged up the pool filters. An excerpt from the history of the Seattle YMCA gives a reason for the change:
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An early casualty of gender equity was males-only nude swimming in the downtown pool. Men and boys had been accustomed to swimming au naturel at the YMCA, not only in Seattle but in Ys everywhere, since the 1890s. The practice may have evolved from problems created by the long, wool swimming suits then in fashion, which apparently shed so much they gummed up the pool filters. Later, nude swimming was justified on the grounds of hygiene. A handbook in use at the Seattle Y in the 1920s required that “A good soap bath must be taken before entering the swimming pool” in the same paragraph that specified “The wearing of swimming suits or supporters will not be allowed except by permission from the director.”
ghp-442807-ymca-pool-1YMCA2 Is gender equality the only reason for the change in nudity in all-male arenas? I doubt it. Women are still not allowed in boys locker rooms. Public baths have largely closed because of the AIDS scare, but also because of a crack down on “morality.” Could the movie Caligula be made today? It is doubtful. One of the major changes has to do with the Reagan presidency. Many Republicans venerate him because of his ushering in of patriotism (which had declined since the l_400_323_723b4073-feb0-4d8b-af3e-067fcff6b715Vietnam War), deregulation, and the Christian Right. Did the resurgence of prudish behavior begin with the Reagan administration, or did it begin before then? The Puritans supplied us with a large number of our founding fathers. Yet, as prudish and “pure” as the Puritans were, they still had more illegitimate births per capita than any other group in American history. Why? Because most of them lived on the frontier, and they could not wait to have sex until after the next time that a minister would travel through to marry them. Puritan ministers were not a populous group, so communities shared ministers, only getting a minister every few months. The same is true of the rural South during colonial times, when Anglican priests were few and far between.
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The ultimate question is, with the resurging popularity of porn and the internet, why is America so prudish?

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71 comments:

crotchdiver said...

VIVA LE NEKKID!!!!

JoeBlow said...

AMEN, crothdiver. You are preaching to the choir.

djc314 said...

Neat post..good questions..maybe we started coodling our kids so much that there is a bad man on every corner and a pedo in every gym...and the catholic priest may also be a factor...I am sure the media has something to do with it too...on the other hand there is an epidemic of sexting...and it is my guess that every teen boy has had some fun with the cam connected to his computer...so who knows...?

JoeBlow said...

DJC, I think America probably has gotten too sensitive about nudity. We are too worried that kids will feel insecure about their bodies. I think, obviously from this post, that we should be less prudish and return to some of the simpler things in life, like swimming naked.

I think you are totally right about the webcams, LOL.

Anonymous said...

Actually, in my experience, conservative Christian men have no problems with locker room nudity; after all, the old YMCAs were created on old-fashioned Christian principles. There are many reasons for the new prudishness; strangely, in part it results from our hypersexualized society, where nudity is common in pop culture but there is little or no differentiation between sexual and non-sexual situations. Also, because of ACLU lawsuits, most schools cannot force students to shower after gym class. And there are many other reasons, including the diminished presence of fathers in many households. Anyway, thanks for raising the topic.

JoeBlow said...

Anon, you are right. The fear of sexualization and a new American prudishness have to do with the striving movement toward political correctness that is gone too far.

Sadisticon said...

It isn't so much a political thing as an overreacting thing. For every event that makes publicity in America there is an opposing reaction that takes it over the fucking top. Shoe bomber on a plane? Now nobody gets through security without removing their shoes. Cyanide in aspirin? Now every.single.package has security sealing. A dude looked at your we wee in the shower? Now we all forbid nudity everywhere for any reason (I swear - every bathhouse in NYC restricts nudity to the shower). It is American Stupidity at its finest; trying to save us all from common sense under the guise of risk reduction. American Simple Stupidity.

Brian said...

As an Englishman working in Upstate NY in 1962-3, I think YMCA's must have beeen in transition regarding nude swimming.

I was surprised, on a visit to Washington, to find I was expected to swim named, so it must have been that trunks were normal in Poughkeepsie and Kingston Y's, certainly for competitive swimmers.

But now, American boys seeem uswilling even to wear proper swimming trunks as "too revealing".

Joe said...

Compare the number of men who dabbled with homosexual sex acts in the 1940s to the number who do so today. The decline has been huge.

Researchers have talked about the rise of anxiety about gay identity. People have increasingly, especially men, been worried about disclaiming gay identity so they don't want to be naked around other men and they don't mess around with them nearly as much as they used to.

Anonymous said...

Naked male camaraderie doesn't exist any more because, on the misconception of "gender equality", male only spaces have been systematically destroyed, while female ones continue to exist and are actually encoureged. When male privacy is out of the window, you can't expect men to behave as they did when they were largely protected from undesired company.

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Anonymous said...

Another blog suggested nude swimming was mandatory due to the swimsuits' habit of carrying the cholera infection in the wool. Interesting. I also read that mandatory nude swimming was in Chicago public high schools until 1980.

Anonymous said...

Important and timely topic.

Anonymous said...

In the 1970 I swam naked in the red brick gymnasium and pool at the University of Wisconsin.The first time one bought a Uof W towel, and was given a cake of soap (every time.It was mandatror to shower and soap naked, to swim naked and after that, to shower and soap again,and when dressed at he lockers, when leaving, one gave the used towel to the employee in charge and he gave me a clean towel for the next time.This was at Madison.How is all this today?

Anonymous said...

when showering naked in Madison,at University of Wisconsin University in th 1970's I realize for the first time in my life that all studnts taking showers were cut,I was the only uncircumcised guy since I come from Latin America. Many guys lookd at me starngely, afterwords they confessed they hd never seen an uncut guy:they showed surprise when I retracted my foreskin for washing glans under the shower.I had to give them the show.thay laughed: there was nothing gay about all this!

Anonymous said...

The photos here remind me of a few years back when men had no issue with being naked with other men. I an all-male environment, no one gave it a second thought.

Anonymous said...

Rubish of course it was agay thing! and you enjoyed it as much as all the other guys!!

Anonymous said...

NOT GAY AT ALL!!!Most US guys dis not know an uncircumcised penis ever existed, and when they found out in astonishment, they wanted to know how my uncut penis Works ! Ignorance is not gay, maybe it is for you!

Anonymous said...

Since I posted the in the'70s I showered naked at he U.of Wisconsin (Madison) and all guys were cut but me,and did not know foreskins existed: and my demostartion to them about my penis' "weirdness" was omething gay, which IT WAS NOT; widesperad info saya almoat all US males are still circumcised for no reason at all. Is taht true?

Anonymous said...

Given I am younger (1988) and from other continent entirely (from Serbia) my point of view is a bit different. I myself am a nudist since I was a child. With the exception of sensitive age of 14-16 I never had much problem with separating nudity and sexuality. I think its a multilayer problem: various sex offenses, media (porn, spam mail) leading you to believe your penis may be and most likely is too small, fear of privacy (imagine someone took a photo of you nude and posted it on a social network accusing you of whatever)... A few years back there was a scandal involving a pair from the Balkans having a photo of their kids nude while bathing. I remember it was a big issue and they were accused of sexual harassment and pedophilia - while in truth it is quite common here. What - you cant wash your two year old child if they don't have a swimming suit (preferably expensive). So yes, Americans, for all their "freedom" are pretty thick-skinned about nudity...

Anonymous said...

Naked male camaraderie widely exists in Peru, m home country.And it is not a gay thing.Strand thing for US males:we Peruvians are all uncirced, and clean! Come visit us to Peru.Zac Efron was here last week.

Anonymous said...

Do you have nude swimming for boys and men at the public swimming pools and nude beaches?

Anonymous said...

I got to agree with you totally.... I enjoy the world of nudity at the YMCA and being naked with other males too... Never had any problems... Today I am still a senior male nudist and I still don't have any problems....But times have changed in the world of nudity.....

Anonymous said...

You guys are right about the issue of nudity.. In the 1970s it was fine to wear a speedo trunk to the beach. Today young young wear those heavy awful trunk shorts to the knee to enjoy the beach and swim.. I am sure it must be uncomfortable swimming with huge shorts but thats what we have turn to in America now.. ridiculous..

Anonymous said...

I have enjoyed male nudity with other men around all my life. Years ago in scouts...we could hardly wait for the sun to go down and for it to get dark so we could be naked with each other in our tents. We did a lot of naked swimming and other things guys liked to do.

Anonymous said...

What a complete load of shite written by nearly all commentators on this topic - and this on an allegedly GLBT-friendly website too! You guys really need to get out of your narrow-minded stereotypical gay mind-set and see things how they really are. The prime reason young men don't go nude in the locker room now is the gay liberation movement. Back in the 1960s and early 70s we didn't know of any homosexuals and if we did meet them - poofs, we called them patronisingly - we knew they would be identifiable by their effeminate and camp behaviour. "Real men" weren't gay so it was perfectly possible for guys to hang out like this without any of the overtones that there would be today. To show how confused public ideas of homosexuality were back then just watch any of the British "Carry On..." films or TV series like "Up Pompeii". There, blatantly camp characters minced about the stage but were still portrayed as "getting the girl" at the end of the day as anything further was beyond comprehension. The sexual liberation movement of the 1960s changed that and nudity in public out of the locker room became trendy, as personified by the musical Hair with its nude scene, or the open nude bathing at Woodstock. What was liberated was heterosexual sex, and public nudity with the opposite sex. Ideas on gays were still the same and when Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper swam nude in Easy Rider there was no implication in either their or the audiences minds that they might be shagging each other. cont:-

Anonymous said...

The shockwaves started to hit with AIDS and a public understanding of what homosexuals actually did and the death of actors like Rock Hudson. It wasn't poor Rock's duplicity that upset people, but the realisation that homosexuals were not a readily identifiable camp brand, they could be you or me, or even a rough and tough American Football player, though I think that still hasn't happened yet, bizarrely. Groups like Frankie Goes to Hollywood were openly gay and endorsing the lifestyle and suddenly there was an acceptance and realisation that some of those guys back in the locker room might be getting off on the view - possibly even one of your mates. What seems to have happened to me is that whilst young people now will openly declare that they are not prejudiced against gays and they hate homophobia, at the same time they are paranoid to ensure that they are not considered gay and to show that they personally have a distaste for it. Hence if they see two guys showering together it "grosses them out", it is a kind of mock exaggerated distaste to maintain a cultural position. Rather oddly in advertising and the media at least in Europe nude males are endorsed, including frontal, because nude females are taboo and exploitative, the exact opposite of the liberated 1960s. Women are also quite 'liberated' about male nudity, as with phenomena like Butlers in the Buff, whereas male nudity with males is now impossible except in a gay context and a few bastions like the army and rugby clubs, though even they are changing. There are few signs of the pendulum swinging in the opposite direction but I think it might; the full frontal photo-shoots of straight sports celebrities like Jimmy Anderson, Nick Youngquest, the Stade Francais calenders and Warwick University Rowing Club are a sign of heterosexual men accepting they have a gay audience and not being bothered by it. cont:-

Anonymous said...

I think that might kick in and there be an enjoyment of being nude without the sex hook up thing. For myself I was in Japan recently and visited the male-only onsen and it was a joy to be in with a bunch of straight nude men and no-one frequently re-arranging their dicks and looking longingly at your crotch. There are gay saunas for all of that now, but maybe it is too much to hope that the gay scene could remain there. So Reagan, puritans, no, no, no. And yea, a guy could roll back his foreskin and not be on the pull. Straight guys do talk about their dick size and who has the biggest balls, shoots the furthest and so on but it doesn't mean we want to have sex with each other, even on a subliminal level. I know you will all find that hard to believe.....stereotypes eh! As for the lint in swimming costume thing yea there is a website about that, to do with the introduction of chlorine and rotting the costumes and the cost of filtration. But guys were nude in the showers so what did it matter if they jumped in the pool. There is also a good few topix threads on the history of nude swimming in the USA. Hundreds of over 50s have written in to say they did it as boys, loved it and there were no sexual overtones. Equally hundreds of under 50s have written in to say they are liars, it never happened, if it did all the coaches (and even parents) must have been paedophiles and the boys were being sexually exploited whether they knew it or not. People will write what they want to believe....stereotypes eh! Interestingly a few on the school swim teams talked about competing in front of a mixed audience whilst nude and you have a photograph of that above. Girls at the time wore swimming costumes, lint or no lint. The theory I think was that no-one could be attracted to a nude man, whether a male or female, whereas girls were sex objects and needed to be covered up. How that has changed. Incidentally, there is still a public baths in Helsinki where the men swim nude one day and the women the next, been that way since it opened in 1928. So that's my epistle, sorry guys but you either have your cake or eat it on this one.

Anonymous said...

PS Last one from me; Janet Jackson, I have no idea! Poor lass I think her mistake was not in getting her tit out for the boys but in apologising. Surely she could have rented a bill board and got the other one out, just to say what-the-fuck? I marked her down for lack of imagination. And a straight guy on a gay website, oh no, does that mean, me? surely, oh! HAHAHA, get over it - I actually got here on a picture search, but yea I have seen a dick before, soft and hard. I own one myself in fact. Names Mike if anyone wants to slag me off, hahaha, ok form a queue.

Anonymous said...

In Peru, sre we do! No big deal !!

Anonymous said...

So in lockers US males do now "towel dancing".If true ist is sad and ridiculous!

Anonymous said...

Towel dancing is necessary to avoid gays and pedophiles! No nudity any longer!!

Anonymous said...

So pedophiles did not esxist in the US lockers in bygone years when every guy was naked there?

Anonymous said...

So there were no gays in the 1970,and now there are?In the 1970's, showering naked at Wiconsin University at Madison, red building, everything seemed straight until I noticed a tall black man showering too was loking at me intensely:so I returned the looks as well:he was well endowed (as I am).Once in the lockers we had a short meaningful conversation hw invited me to his place, we got naked, embraced and without giving details, that day I lost my virginity anally!

Anonymous said...

There have always been gay men!! It is not only nowadays.So why the prudishness, the "towel dancing"? Gays are discreet in front of naked staright males showering.And so straight males ahve nothing to fear about!Just US is now so puritanical!

Anonymous said...

allthe boys appearing naked in front of ponds and in the countryside are GAY;you won't accept that since those pics were taken so many years ago!

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

you american stop towel dancing, get naked, if you have a normal human body, which you do.In Lati America it is commonplace! No puritanism at all!

Anonymous said...

No skinny dipping nay more? Un nudisty in showers and lockers, cuz the guy near you maight be gay? But homosexuality has always existed, in the US too.Do you think the "guy nex you" when you showered naked was always straight? Not at all:what happend is they never made their gayness evident,and when they found anothsr gay (thru convenient signs nobody else noticed), well they went elsewhere to have sex!
So nowaqdays prudishness is not understandable,unless one thinks the US history goes thru cycles of puritanism, and sex or body liberation.We are in a puritanical cycle!

Anonymous said...

all naked men of the past shown there, specially those in the outdoorWERE GAY,they all ahd sex,top or bottom (or both) with one or more buddies, but it was closted gayness.Their sex iniciation was gay, no women lib at that time. After a few years they married!

Anonymous said...

Before woman's lib movement, most US Young men iniciated their sex life with a buddy, they lost their virginity with a close same-age boy!

Anonymous said...

Sincé in those days,all these guys you see in old potos stark naked,iniciated their sex lifes with other boys,tops or bottoms and then beame heterosexual with age when they married, what do they say now about that? Thay will probably shut up! If some don't we would learn lot of hidden sex stories

Anonymous said...

My greta grand uncle used to tell me that when he was into puberty, all his friends and himself, bathed naked in ponds, steram. swimming pools and were nude as well under comunal showers.Women's libe had not began yet, so hormones raged and he and his friends were avid for sex.The noemal solution:they had sex with soem of their naked comrades.He said he was always top, but who knows? Then somewhat older he fell in love with a Young lady, married and had children.You could not ask younh pubescent boys to remain chaste until marriage!

Anonymous said...

no doubt in those times of abundant male nudity, and no women available normally, nudity enticed gay sex, like it or not!Thos naked guys would not remain virginal until marriage

jimboylan2 said...

Some of the reason for banning male nudity at the Young Men's Christian (and Hebrew) Associations may have been because they wanted to steal members from or merge with the Young WOMEN'S Christian (and Hebrew) Associations.

Anonymous said...

So true!

Anonymous said...

In the photo of the pubescent boy nakes at the edge of a pond, you can see among te boys, two:one is caressing the other's hair, and the other puts his ram arond the other one' waist.Is not hat openly gay in those times and now?

Bennett Marco said...

The photo of the nine individuals with six sitting on their buddies' shoulders is from the Australian War Memorial Collection, Number 109897, taken 20 June 1945 at the Tarakan Island pool. There is a companion photo; Number 109898. The photos can be seen at http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/109897 and http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/109898

JoeBlow said...

Bennett Marco, the Australian War Memorial collection is one of the greatest collections of naked male comraderie pictures available. Thanks for those two links.

Anonymous said...

But the boys touching the others at the dage of the pond is not Australian pic, it is a US gay scene from bygobe times, before women's lib.So they satidfied their sexual urges with one another!

Anonymous said...

So you think naked men in touch with each other in only a US GAY matter, but tht there were no gays in Australia in 1945 ?

Anonymous said...

Those naked Australian guys:each one carrying another one on his back, when each one came downtothe floor rubbing mates buttocks was inevitable and what ensued:hard penetration by sexualy excited dicks and bodies.Gayest!

Rod said...

I think you will find the top pic with the nude swim team posing is actually from a publication on Kalgoorlie, Western Australia 1917. I think with the more assertive roles that the gay and lesbian society are now taking is part of the reason why many young men have developed a homophobic stance - probably due more to peer group pressure (hope it is not the case but I fear it is). Many young men in particular will not shower with another male for fear of this perception, even in some of our sporting codes the younger guys are actually showering in their jocks- can you believe it. Gender equality in sport is another problem and though in most of the sporting events females cannot compete against males it still doesn't stop them from demanding access to the men's change rooms- female journalists a prime example, where if a male journalist wanted access to a female change room(although no likely)they would be flatly refused. I see[female only] gyms opening up where as a [male only] gym would not be allowed. Another strange phenomena are the board shorts swim trunks the young guys wear, as their female companions usually attire themselves in the most briefest of swim wear.It's almost as if no vision of the male body parts is accepted. The trend to emasculate the male in society is one of the main reasons why young men have developed this homophobic attitude.

Anonymous said...

The US society goes like a pendulum:from one extreme to the other:Now male nudity in front of other males is an "invasión of privacy", thus the "towel dance".Some years ago men swam naked in pools, showered naked in communal showers,wer gay before marriage until womens lib came.Puritanical society!

Anonymous said...

All these guys naked in the countryside were most probably gay all their lives!Chances are they were!

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't confuse communal nudity with being gay. What about men's sports teams? Everyone showers together after. Wrestling weigh ins? Until recently weighing in naked together was the norm. Most straight men aren't physically shy and still don't see much reason to cover up unless there are women around.

Anonymous said...

But sure! They were ALL of them gay

Anonymous said...

I believe the current lack of ease with being naked around other men has very little to do with sexual orientation or with a greater comprehension that gay men are, in fact, everywhere. Rather, American culture has become a culture of extreme sexual shame, and technology is largely responsible for it. On the one hand, young men are fearful of being fully naked in front of other men in an all-male environment like a locker room, but on the other hand, many of these same young men eagerly participate in an hyper-sexualized social construct. These represent two sides of the same shame-based coin. Hiding your genitals in what used to be a "safe" and "natural," a.k.a., unsexualized environment, while at the same time engaging in all sorts of physical and sexual exhibitionism online or in person (during spring break, etc.) reveals a deeply conflicted attitude toward the human body and what it means to be naked. It used to be one could be naked with others and it wouldn't have any significant sexual overtones. Now, the media and especially the internet have imbued any and all situations in which people are naked with sexual meaning. These poor young guys are trimming or shaving their pubic hair in the belief that it will make their dicks look bigger should someone see them naked, yet they pull their undershorts off and on beneath towels. This is because they've been brainwashed by the media with the notion that any exposure of genitalia means something sexual is happening even when 95% of the time it isn't. Worse still, this generation is subject to the pressure, promulgated by the media, of feeling as though their body doesn't look good enough, or isn't sexy enough. An entire generation of young people has a false conception of what it means to be naked or have a body. The fear of "not measuring up" comes from that two-sided coin of shame: a compulsion to hide and to be an exhibitionist at the same time. It's very unfortunate that this young generation has been forced to feel so exposed and subject to constant scrutiny. How exhausting and sad for them.

Anonymous said...

What you say is mainly a US phenomenon.In Peru, where I live, men are confortable naked in showers and lockers,no circ problem: all of us are uncut.We men are also confortable naked in saunas and...in semi-deserted beaches..Not a gay thing at all, but there are limits naturally, w do not toch esch other nor carry another nude male o our backs as in the Australian photos.Naturally most men are staright and if one of tehm is gay naked among straights, he will carefully hide his orientation.We are not puritans!

Anonymous said...

Come, guys, get naked in deserted beaches in Peru:swim naked:the greatest ppleasure ever. And have hot sex in those desrted beaches

Anonymous said...

You are wrong when you say that the rejection of causal male nakedness has anything whatsoever with a more conservative era - or conservatives at all. There are several reasons. One being the post-war ubiquity of indoor plumbing and smaller families and boys not spending time bathing and being naked with other boys and men. Another being the demand by women to share facilities with men and the end of male-only facilities. The 70s on increased sexuality of the naked form, including the male form. Note that it has been mothers (not fathers) that have demanded that their boys not be forced to shower after PE and sports, nor swim naked. These are not conservative forces, but liberal and more so, "progressives". Believe it or not, nothing is more about control and prudery than "progressives" and the left - except re: sex. Naked maleness has always been a male thing and a conservative thing. Consider the Ys, all of the other fraternal organizations where swimming, saunas, steam and more are all done naked.

Anonymous said...

Right or left, conservatives and liberals:gay is gay anywhere and ell this "ale bonding is gay!

Unknown said...

I love to be naked and with like minded folks. My first social nude activities were with a doctor friend's family and their nurse receptionist and her family. It certainly was not sexual nor gay in any way but to be honest I was shy about getting naked in front of the kids. I have been to Bagby Hot Springs many many times for all night soaks and learned how to give massages in those hot tubs and I now have giving many many massages and guys are unhappy because if they want a happy ending they must do it themselves. A whole body massage exchange does not include me giving a hand job. I figure that any guy knows how to do that himself while giving your self a back massage is a challenge best done by a friend.
As for public displays of non sexual friendship and affection, In India male friends were always grabbing my hand to hold as we walked and chatted but a lady friend would never touch you.
As for boys learning about sex from each other ... Boys talk with boys and girls talk with girls and now in the internet they see things that they would not have thought of doing. As a boy, I never saw another guy with an erection although a few times I heard of guys learning to masturbate from siblings. In rural America back in the 50's and 60's when only half of the homes in AMerica (think cities) had indoor plumbing, bathing was done in the Kitchen in front of the wood stove. I was a city boy and up until the last time I saw my Grand mother at age 12 she insisted on giving me a Saturday night bath. All of us young ones boys and girls were standing around naked waiting our turn to go through the wash tub to be scrubbed by her. I knew what all my naked cousins looked like naked and they knew what I looked like naked. My Dad's youngest sisters were 5 years older than me but his youngest brother was only a year older and maybe because I was there and the oldest grand child he got bathed too. I never saw the teen girls naked or Grandma naked - they must have bathed after we went to bed - but they did help Grandma scrub us and heated water on the stove and got it from the hand pump on the back porch. Now Grandpa was a different story. He loved getting bathed and that was the only time I ever saw him out of his red union suit with the pajama flap in back. The outhouse was a two holer but I don't remember who had sharing privileges or if it mattered. There was a community swimming hole and if no outsiders were there all the kids swam naked, but if outsiders were there then there were boy days and girl days. Bobby Ray who travels around the country and the world.

Anonymous said...

To the guy who commented on June 5,I think he is gay or bi!

Anonymous said...

Here in Peru we bathe nude in semi-deserted beaches, I make love to my girlfriend over a large towel in the beach, we males bathe naked in swimming pools, are naked in communnal showers ans lockers.When there is no space in public pools, four friends and I do bathe naked in a private pool in one of those friend's home, swimming naked makes me feelextermely well with my body as no spedos would.When we finish we take showers in the nude and sometimes we organiize "circle jerks":quite funny:some oof myy friends mighht be gay, I am not!

Anonymous said...

Is it gay for men to swim naked in pools, public or private? Is it gay to take a glimpse at other nude gys in showers and lockers to compare dick sizes and forms?

Anonymous said...

Get rid of your prejudices and of puritanism and enjoy naked swimming! The pleasure of naked swimming is incredible, you feel well with your body as you would neve feel with spedos or trunks! Get naked in a pond, river,se side,wherever you can really do it!

Anonymous said...

Bathe naked in the sea with your couple in s semi-deserted beach, then have sex with your couple on a big towel, enjoying the warm breeze...and sex of course!!!

Anonymous said...

The above text posted on July 16 is inmoral,sifully lustful; it should be erased to keep up to the standards of thsi blog!Yeh we talk and write about sex,but nots so openly or so explicitly!

Anonymous said...

ha, ha. ha!!for the July 16comment! Bathe ans swi naked, have sex in the beach naked, even organize circle jerks:who does the easier masturabation there:cutor uncut guys!

Anonymous said...

But most US males are cut.Addiction to circumcision?