Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Naked Male Camaraderie

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BOTD-081310-002 For the past three decades, America seems to be getting more prudish than ever where nudity is concerned. Take the Janet Jackson episode during the Super Bowl a few years ago. Has America always been this prudish? In television and movies, yes, but in everyday life, I don’t believe the evidence supports it. John Quincy Adams used to get up two hours before sunrise to go skinny dipping in the Potomac River, and he was not even the only president to enjoy skinny dipping. Rumor has it that Harry Truman enjoyed swimming au naturel, and that Billy Graham went skinny dipping with Lyndon Johnson.
vintage_Harvard_rowing_crew_naked_5_13_09_wcmUntil the last three decades, American high school boys took showers after PE classes. Nudity in gyms showers was quite normal. Guys didn’t do the towel dance. If you were in the steam room or sauna, you went naked. You took your shower in the open, but now most guys wear towels in the steam room and sauna, and shower in private stalls.
Columbus,OhioYMCA1930s What’s so odd is that 40 years ago, nude swimming was the norm. It’s what was acceptable. Below, you can see that they even used to shower in groups before they jumped in the pool.
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A paradigm shift has happened and I’m curious as to why? I really can’t help but wonder — of all the factors that have gone into this shift. The YMCAs used to enforce nude swimming and many, like the one below, even gyms right above or next to the pool. Between laps, guys would just head over and lift weights — yes, completely nude.
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From the 1890s to the 1930s, men who swam at the YMCA did so in the nude, apparently wool swimsuits (the fashion of the time) clogged up the pool filters. An excerpt from the history of the Seattle YMCA gives a reason for the change:
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An early casualty of gender equity was males-only nude swimming in the downtown pool. Men and boys had been accustomed to swimming au naturel at the YMCA, not only in Seattle but in Ys everywhere, since the 1890s. The practice may have evolved from problems created by the long, wool swimming suits then in fashion, which apparently shed so much they gummed up the pool filters. Later, nude swimming was justified on the grounds of hygiene. A handbook in use at the Seattle Y in the 1920s required that “A good soap bath must be taken before entering the swimming pool” in the same paragraph that specified “The wearing of swimming suits or supporters will not be allowed except by permission from the director.”
ghp-442807-ymca-pool-1YMCA2 Is gender equality the only reason for the change in nudity in all-male arenas? I doubt it. Women are still not allowed in boys locker rooms. Public baths have largely closed because of the AIDS scare, but also because of a crack down on “morality.” Could the movie Caligula be made today? It is doubtful. One of the major changes has to do with the Reagan presidency. Many Republicans venerate him because of his ushering in of patriotism (which had declined since the l_400_323_723b4073-feb0-4d8b-af3e-067fcff6b715Vietnam War), deregulation, and the Christian Right. Did the resurgence of prudish behavior begin with the Reagan administration, or did it begin before then? The Puritans supplied us with a large number of our founding fathers. Yet, as prudish and “pure” as the Puritans were, they still had more illegitimate births per capita than any other group in American history. Why? Because most of them lived on the frontier, and they could not wait to have sex until after the next time that a minister would travel through to marry them. Puritan ministers were not a populous group, so communities shared ministers, only getting a minister every few months. The same is true of the rural South during colonial times, when Anglican priests were few and far between.
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The ultimate question is, with the resurging popularity of porn and the internet, why is America so prudish?

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166 comments:

crotchdiver said...

VIVA LE NEKKID!!!!

Joe said...

AMEN, crothdiver. You are preaching to the choir.

djc314 said...

Neat post..good questions..maybe we started coodling our kids so much that there is a bad man on every corner and a pedo in every gym...and the catholic priest may also be a factor...I am sure the media has something to do with it too...on the other hand there is an epidemic of sexting...and it is my guess that every teen boy has had some fun with the cam connected to his computer...so who knows...?

Joe said...

DJC, I think America probably has gotten too sensitive about nudity. We are too worried that kids will feel insecure about their bodies. I think, obviously from this post, that we should be less prudish and return to some of the simpler things in life, like swimming naked.

I think you are totally right about the webcams, LOL.

Anonymous said...

Actually, in my experience, conservative Christian men have no problems with locker room nudity; after all, the old YMCAs were created on old-fashioned Christian principles. There are many reasons for the new prudishness; strangely, in part it results from our hypersexualized society, where nudity is common in pop culture but there is little or no differentiation between sexual and non-sexual situations. Also, because of ACLU lawsuits, most schools cannot force students to shower after gym class. And there are many other reasons, including the diminished presence of fathers in many households. Anyway, thanks for raising the topic.

Joe said...

Anon, you are right. The fear of sexualization and a new American prudishness have to do with the striving movement toward political correctness that is gone too far.

Sadisticon said...

It isn't so much a political thing as an overreacting thing. For every event that makes publicity in America there is an opposing reaction that takes it over the fucking top. Shoe bomber on a plane? Now nobody gets through security without removing their shoes. Cyanide in aspirin? Now every.single.package has security sealing. A dude looked at your we wee in the shower? Now we all forbid nudity everywhere for any reason (I swear - every bathhouse in NYC restricts nudity to the shower). It is American Stupidity at its finest; trying to save us all from common sense under the guise of risk reduction. American Simple Stupidity.

Brian said...

As an Englishman working in Upstate NY in 1962-3, I think YMCA's must have beeen in transition regarding nude swimming.

I was surprised, on a visit to Washington, to find I was expected to swim named, so it must have been that trunks were normal in Poughkeepsie and Kingston Y's, certainly for competitive swimmers.

But now, American boys seeem uswilling even to wear proper swimming trunks as "too revealing".

Joe said...

Compare the number of men who dabbled with homosexual sex acts in the 1940s to the number who do so today. The decline has been huge.

Researchers have talked about the rise of anxiety about gay identity. People have increasingly, especially men, been worried about disclaiming gay identity so they don't want to be naked around other men and they don't mess around with them nearly as much as they used to.

Anonymous said...

Naked male camaraderie doesn't exist any more because, on the misconception of "gender equality", male only spaces have been systematically destroyed, while female ones continue to exist and are actually encoureged. When male privacy is out of the window, you can't expect men to behave as they did when they were largely protected from undesired company.

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Anonymous said...

Another blog suggested nude swimming was mandatory due to the swimsuits' habit of carrying the cholera infection in the wool. Interesting. I also read that mandatory nude swimming was in Chicago public high schools until 1980.

Anonymous said...

Important and timely topic.

Anonymous said...

In the 1970 I swam naked in the red brick gymnasium and pool at the University of Wisconsin.The first time one bought a Uof W towel, and was given a cake of soap (every time.It was mandatror to shower and soap naked, to swim naked and after that, to shower and soap again,and when dressed at he lockers, when leaving, one gave the used towel to the employee in charge and he gave me a clean towel for the next time.This was at Madison.How is all this today?

Anonymous said...

when showering naked in Madison,at University of Wisconsin University in th 1970's I realize for the first time in my life that all studnts taking showers were cut,I was the only uncircumcised guy since I come from Latin America. Many guys lookd at me starngely, afterwords they confessed they hd never seen an uncut guy:they showed surprise when I retracted my foreskin for washing glans under the shower.I had to give them the show.thay laughed: there was nothing gay about all this!

Anonymous said...

The photos here remind me of a few years back when men had no issue with being naked with other men. I an all-male environment, no one gave it a second thought.

Anonymous said...

Rubish of course it was agay thing! and you enjoyed it as much as all the other guys!!

Anonymous said...

NOT GAY AT ALL!!!Most US guys dis not know an uncircumcised penis ever existed, and when they found out in astonishment, they wanted to know how my uncut penis Works ! Ignorance is not gay, maybe it is for you!

Anonymous said...

Since I posted the in the'70s I showered naked at he U.of Wisconsin (Madison) and all guys were cut but me,and did not know foreskins existed: and my demostartion to them about my penis' "weirdness" was omething gay, which IT WAS NOT; widesperad info saya almoat all US males are still circumcised for no reason at all. Is taht true?

Anonymous said...

Given I am younger (1988) and from other continent entirely (from Serbia) my point of view is a bit different. I myself am a nudist since I was a child. With the exception of sensitive age of 14-16 I never had much problem with separating nudity and sexuality. I think its a multilayer problem: various sex offenses, media (porn, spam mail) leading you to believe your penis may be and most likely is too small, fear of privacy (imagine someone took a photo of you nude and posted it on a social network accusing you of whatever)... A few years back there was a scandal involving a pair from the Balkans having a photo of their kids nude while bathing. I remember it was a big issue and they were accused of sexual harassment and pedophilia - while in truth it is quite common here. What - you cant wash your two year old child if they don't have a swimming suit (preferably expensive). So yes, Americans, for all their "freedom" are pretty thick-skinned about nudity...

Anonymous said...

Naked male camaraderie widely exists in Peru, m home country.And it is not a gay thing.Strand thing for US males:we Peruvians are all uncirced, and clean! Come visit us to Peru.Zac Efron was here last week.

Anonymous said...

Do you have nude swimming for boys and men at the public swimming pools and nude beaches?

Anonymous said...

I got to agree with you totally.... I enjoy the world of nudity at the YMCA and being naked with other males too... Never had any problems... Today I am still a senior male nudist and I still don't have any problems....But times have changed in the world of nudity.....

Anonymous said...

You guys are right about the issue of nudity.. In the 1970s it was fine to wear a speedo trunk to the beach. Today young young wear those heavy awful trunk shorts to the knee to enjoy the beach and swim.. I am sure it must be uncomfortable swimming with huge shorts but thats what we have turn to in America now.. ridiculous..

Anonymous said...

I have enjoyed male nudity with other men around all my life. Years ago in scouts...we could hardly wait for the sun to go down and for it to get dark so we could be naked with each other in our tents. We did a lot of naked swimming and other things guys liked to do.

Anonymous said...

What a complete load of shite written by nearly all commentators on this topic - and this on an allegedly GLBT-friendly website too! You guys really need to get out of your narrow-minded stereotypical gay mind-set and see things how they really are. The prime reason young men don't go nude in the locker room now is the gay liberation movement. Back in the 1960s and early 70s we didn't know of any homosexuals and if we did meet them - poofs, we called them patronisingly - we knew they would be identifiable by their effeminate and camp behaviour. "Real men" weren't gay so it was perfectly possible for guys to hang out like this without any of the overtones that there would be today. To show how confused public ideas of homosexuality were back then just watch any of the British "Carry On..." films or TV series like "Up Pompeii". There, blatantly camp characters minced about the stage but were still portrayed as "getting the girl" at the end of the day as anything further was beyond comprehension. The sexual liberation movement of the 1960s changed that and nudity in public out of the locker room became trendy, as personified by the musical Hair with its nude scene, or the open nude bathing at Woodstock. What was liberated was heterosexual sex, and public nudity with the opposite sex. Ideas on gays were still the same and when Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper swam nude in Easy Rider there was no implication in either their or the audiences minds that they might be shagging each other. cont:-

Anonymous said...

The shockwaves started to hit with AIDS and a public understanding of what homosexuals actually did and the death of actors like Rock Hudson. It wasn't poor Rock's duplicity that upset people, but the realisation that homosexuals were not a readily identifiable camp brand, they could be you or me, or even a rough and tough American Football player, though I think that still hasn't happened yet, bizarrely. Groups like Frankie Goes to Hollywood were openly gay and endorsing the lifestyle and suddenly there was an acceptance and realisation that some of those guys back in the locker room might be getting off on the view - possibly even one of your mates. What seems to have happened to me is that whilst young people now will openly declare that they are not prejudiced against gays and they hate homophobia, at the same time they are paranoid to ensure that they are not considered gay and to show that they personally have a distaste for it. Hence if they see two guys showering together it "grosses them out", it is a kind of mock exaggerated distaste to maintain a cultural position. Rather oddly in advertising and the media at least in Europe nude males are endorsed, including frontal, because nude females are taboo and exploitative, the exact opposite of the liberated 1960s. Women are also quite 'liberated' about male nudity, as with phenomena like Butlers in the Buff, whereas male nudity with males is now impossible except in a gay context and a few bastions like the army and rugby clubs, though even they are changing. There are few signs of the pendulum swinging in the opposite direction but I think it might; the full frontal photo-shoots of straight sports celebrities like Jimmy Anderson, Nick Youngquest, the Stade Francais calenders and Warwick University Rowing Club are a sign of heterosexual men accepting they have a gay audience and not being bothered by it. cont:-

Anonymous said...

I think that might kick in and there be an enjoyment of being nude without the sex hook up thing. For myself I was in Japan recently and visited the male-only onsen and it was a joy to be in with a bunch of straight nude men and no-one frequently re-arranging their dicks and looking longingly at your crotch. There are gay saunas for all of that now, but maybe it is too much to hope that the gay scene could remain there. So Reagan, puritans, no, no, no. And yea, a guy could roll back his foreskin and not be on the pull. Straight guys do talk about their dick size and who has the biggest balls, shoots the furthest and so on but it doesn't mean we want to have sex with each other, even on a subliminal level. I know you will all find that hard to believe.....stereotypes eh! As for the lint in swimming costume thing yea there is a website about that, to do with the introduction of chlorine and rotting the costumes and the cost of filtration. But guys were nude in the showers so what did it matter if they jumped in the pool. There is also a good few topix threads on the history of nude swimming in the USA. Hundreds of over 50s have written in to say they did it as boys, loved it and there were no sexual overtones. Equally hundreds of under 50s have written in to say they are liars, it never happened, if it did all the coaches (and even parents) must have been paedophiles and the boys were being sexually exploited whether they knew it or not. People will write what they want to believe....stereotypes eh! Interestingly a few on the school swim teams talked about competing in front of a mixed audience whilst nude and you have a photograph of that above. Girls at the time wore swimming costumes, lint or no lint. The theory I think was that no-one could be attracted to a nude man, whether a male or female, whereas girls were sex objects and needed to be covered up. How that has changed. Incidentally, there is still a public baths in Helsinki where the men swim nude one day and the women the next, been that way since it opened in 1928. So that's my epistle, sorry guys but you either have your cake or eat it on this one.

Anonymous said...

PS Last one from me; Janet Jackson, I have no idea! Poor lass I think her mistake was not in getting her tit out for the boys but in apologising. Surely she could have rented a bill board and got the other one out, just to say what-the-fuck? I marked her down for lack of imagination. And a straight guy on a gay website, oh no, does that mean, me? surely, oh! HAHAHA, get over it - I actually got here on a picture search, but yea I have seen a dick before, soft and hard. I own one myself in fact. Names Mike if anyone wants to slag me off, hahaha, ok form a queue.

Anonymous said...

In Peru, sre we do! No big deal !!

Anonymous said...

So in lockers US males do now "towel dancing".If true ist is sad and ridiculous!

Anonymous said...

Towel dancing is necessary to avoid gays and pedophiles! No nudity any longer!!

Anonymous said...

So pedophiles did not esxist in the US lockers in bygone years when every guy was naked there?

Anonymous said...

So there were no gays in the 1970,and now there are?In the 1970's, showering naked at Wiconsin University at Madison, red building, everything seemed straight until I noticed a tall black man showering too was loking at me intensely:so I returned the looks as well:he was well endowed (as I am).Once in the lockers we had a short meaningful conversation hw invited me to his place, we got naked, embraced and without giving details, that day I lost my virginity anally!

Anonymous said...

There have always been gay men!! It is not only nowadays.So why the prudishness, the "towel dancing"? Gays are discreet in front of naked staright males showering.And so straight males ahve nothing to fear about!Just US is now so puritanical!

Anonymous said...

allthe boys appearing naked in front of ponds and in the countryside are GAY;you won't accept that since those pics were taken so many years ago!

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

you american stop towel dancing, get naked, if you have a normal human body, which you do.In Lati America it is commonplace! No puritanism at all!

Anonymous said...

No skinny dipping nay more? Un nudisty in showers and lockers, cuz the guy near you maight be gay? But homosexuality has always existed, in the US too.Do you think the "guy nex you" when you showered naked was always straight? Not at all:what happend is they never made their gayness evident,and when they found anothsr gay (thru convenient signs nobody else noticed), well they went elsewhere to have sex!
So nowaqdays prudishness is not understandable,unless one thinks the US history goes thru cycles of puritanism, and sex or body liberation.We are in a puritanical cycle!

Anonymous said...

all naked men of the past shown there, specially those in the outdoorWERE GAY,they all ahd sex,top or bottom (or both) with one or more buddies, but it was closted gayness.Their sex iniciation was gay, no women lib at that time. After a few years they married!

Anonymous said...

Before woman's lib movement, most US Young men iniciated their sex life with a buddy, they lost their virginity with a close same-age boy!

Anonymous said...

Sincé in those days,all these guys you see in old potos stark naked,iniciated their sex lifes with other boys,tops or bottoms and then beame heterosexual with age when they married, what do they say now about that? Thay will probably shut up! If some don't we would learn lot of hidden sex stories

Anonymous said...

My greta grand uncle used to tell me that when he was into puberty, all his friends and himself, bathed naked in ponds, steram. swimming pools and were nude as well under comunal showers.Women's libe had not began yet, so hormones raged and he and his friends were avid for sex.The noemal solution:they had sex with soem of their naked comrades.He said he was always top, but who knows? Then somewhat older he fell in love with a Young lady, married and had children.You could not ask younh pubescent boys to remain chaste until marriage!

Anonymous said...

no doubt in those times of abundant male nudity, and no women available normally, nudity enticed gay sex, like it or not!Thos naked guys would not remain virginal until marriage

jimboylan2 said...

Some of the reason for banning male nudity at the Young Men's Christian (and Hebrew) Associations may have been because they wanted to steal members from or merge with the Young WOMEN'S Christian (and Hebrew) Associations.

Anonymous said...

So true!

Anonymous said...

In the photo of the pubescent boy nakes at the edge of a pond, you can see among te boys, two:one is caressing the other's hair, and the other puts his ram arond the other one' waist.Is not hat openly gay in those times and now?

Bennett Marco said...

The photo of the nine individuals with six sitting on their buddies' shoulders is from the Australian War Memorial Collection, Number 109897, taken 20 June 1945 at the Tarakan Island pool. There is a companion photo; Number 109898. The photos can be seen at http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/109897 and http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/109898

Joe said...

Bennett Marco, the Australian War Memorial collection is one of the greatest collections of naked male comraderie pictures available. Thanks for those two links.

Anonymous said...

But the boys touching the others at the dage of the pond is not Australian pic, it is a US gay scene from bygobe times, before women's lib.So they satidfied their sexual urges with one another!

Anonymous said...

So you think naked men in touch with each other in only a US GAY matter, but tht there were no gays in Australia in 1945 ?

Anonymous said...

Those naked Australian guys:each one carrying another one on his back, when each one came downtothe floor rubbing mates buttocks was inevitable and what ensued:hard penetration by sexualy excited dicks and bodies.Gayest!

Rod said...

I think you will find the top pic with the nude swim team posing is actually from a publication on Kalgoorlie, Western Australia 1917. I think with the more assertive roles that the gay and lesbian society are now taking is part of the reason why many young men have developed a homophobic stance - probably due more to peer group pressure (hope it is not the case but I fear it is). Many young men in particular will not shower with another male for fear of this perception, even in some of our sporting codes the younger guys are actually showering in their jocks- can you believe it. Gender equality in sport is another problem and though in most of the sporting events females cannot compete against males it still doesn't stop them from demanding access to the men's change rooms- female journalists a prime example, where if a male journalist wanted access to a female change room(although no likely)they would be flatly refused. I see[female only] gyms opening up where as a [male only] gym would not be allowed. Another strange phenomena are the board shorts swim trunks the young guys wear, as their female companions usually attire themselves in the most briefest of swim wear.It's almost as if no vision of the male body parts is accepted. The trend to emasculate the male in society is one of the main reasons why young men have developed this homophobic attitude.

Anonymous said...

The US society goes like a pendulum:from one extreme to the other:Now male nudity in front of other males is an "invasiĂłn of privacy", thus the "towel dance".Some years ago men swam naked in pools, showered naked in communal showers,wer gay before marriage until womens lib came.Puritanical society!

Anonymous said...

All these guys naked in the countryside were most probably gay all their lives!Chances are they were!

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't confuse communal nudity with being gay. What about men's sports teams? Everyone showers together after. Wrestling weigh ins? Until recently weighing in naked together was the norm. Most straight men aren't physically shy and still don't see much reason to cover up unless there are women around.

Anonymous said...

But sure! They were ALL of them gay

Anonymous said...

I believe the current lack of ease with being naked around other men has very little to do with sexual orientation or with a greater comprehension that gay men are, in fact, everywhere. Rather, American culture has become a culture of extreme sexual shame, and technology is largely responsible for it. On the one hand, young men are fearful of being fully naked in front of other men in an all-male environment like a locker room, but on the other hand, many of these same young men eagerly participate in an hyper-sexualized social construct. These represent two sides of the same shame-based coin. Hiding your genitals in what used to be a "safe" and "natural," a.k.a., unsexualized environment, while at the same time engaging in all sorts of physical and sexual exhibitionism online or in person (during spring break, etc.) reveals a deeply conflicted attitude toward the human body and what it means to be naked. It used to be one could be naked with others and it wouldn't have any significant sexual overtones. Now, the media and especially the internet have imbued any and all situations in which people are naked with sexual meaning. These poor young guys are trimming or shaving their pubic hair in the belief that it will make their dicks look bigger should someone see them naked, yet they pull their undershorts off and on beneath towels. This is because they've been brainwashed by the media with the notion that any exposure of genitalia means something sexual is happening even when 95% of the time it isn't. Worse still, this generation is subject to the pressure, promulgated by the media, of feeling as though their body doesn't look good enough, or isn't sexy enough. An entire generation of young people has a false conception of what it means to be naked or have a body. The fear of "not measuring up" comes from that two-sided coin of shame: a compulsion to hide and to be an exhibitionist at the same time. It's very unfortunate that this young generation has been forced to feel so exposed and subject to constant scrutiny. How exhausting and sad for them.

Anonymous said...

What you say is mainly a US phenomenon.In Peru, where I live, men are confortable naked in showers and lockers,no circ problem: all of us are uncut.We men are also confortable naked in saunas and...in semi-deserted beaches..Not a gay thing at all, but there are limits naturally, w do not toch esch other nor carry another nude male o our backs as in the Australian photos.Naturally most men are staright and if one of tehm is gay naked among straights, he will carefully hide his orientation.We are not puritans!

Anonymous said...

Come, guys, get naked in deserted beaches in Peru:swim naked:the greatest ppleasure ever. And have hot sex in those desrted beaches

Anonymous said...

You are wrong when you say that the rejection of causal male nakedness has anything whatsoever with a more conservative era - or conservatives at all. There are several reasons. One being the post-war ubiquity of indoor plumbing and smaller families and boys not spending time bathing and being naked with other boys and men. Another being the demand by women to share facilities with men and the end of male-only facilities. The 70s on increased sexuality of the naked form, including the male form. Note that it has been mothers (not fathers) that have demanded that their boys not be forced to shower after PE and sports, nor swim naked. These are not conservative forces, but liberal and more so, "progressives". Believe it or not, nothing is more about control and prudery than "progressives" and the left - except re: sex. Naked maleness has always been a male thing and a conservative thing. Consider the Ys, all of the other fraternal organizations where swimming, saunas, steam and more are all done naked.

Anonymous said...

Right or left, conservatives and liberals:gay is gay anywhere and ell this "ale bonding is gay!

Unknown said...

I love to be naked and with like minded folks. My first social nude activities were with a doctor friend's family and their nurse receptionist and her family. It certainly was not sexual nor gay in any way but to be honest I was shy about getting naked in front of the kids. I have been to Bagby Hot Springs many many times for all night soaks and learned how to give massages in those hot tubs and I now have giving many many massages and guys are unhappy because if they want a happy ending they must do it themselves. A whole body massage exchange does not include me giving a hand job. I figure that any guy knows how to do that himself while giving your self a back massage is a challenge best done by a friend.
As for public displays of non sexual friendship and affection, In India male friends were always grabbing my hand to hold as we walked and chatted but a lady friend would never touch you.
As for boys learning about sex from each other ... Boys talk with boys and girls talk with girls and now in the internet they see things that they would not have thought of doing. As a boy, I never saw another guy with an erection although a few times I heard of guys learning to masturbate from siblings. In rural America back in the 50's and 60's when only half of the homes in AMerica (think cities) had indoor plumbing, bathing was done in the Kitchen in front of the wood stove. I was a city boy and up until the last time I saw my Grand mother at age 12 she insisted on giving me a Saturday night bath. All of us young ones boys and girls were standing around naked waiting our turn to go through the wash tub to be scrubbed by her. I knew what all my naked cousins looked like naked and they knew what I looked like naked. My Dad's youngest sisters were 5 years older than me but his youngest brother was only a year older and maybe because I was there and the oldest grand child he got bathed too. I never saw the teen girls naked or Grandma naked - they must have bathed after we went to bed - but they did help Grandma scrub us and heated water on the stove and got it from the hand pump on the back porch. Now Grandpa was a different story. He loved getting bathed and that was the only time I ever saw him out of his red union suit with the pajama flap in back. The outhouse was a two holer but I don't remember who had sharing privileges or if it mattered. There was a community swimming hole and if no outsiders were there all the kids swam naked, but if outsiders were there then there were boy days and girl days. Bobby Ray who travels around the country and the world.

Anonymous said...

To the guy who commented on June 5,I think he is gay or bi!

Anonymous said...

Here in Peru we bathe nude in semi-deserted beaches, I make love to my girlfriend over a large towel in the beach, we males bathe naked in swimming pools, are naked in communnal showers ans lockers.When there is no space in public pools, four friends and I do bathe naked in a private pool in one of those friend's home, swimming naked makes me feelextermely well with my body as no spedos would.When we finish we take showers in the nude and sometimes we organiize "circle jerks":quite funny:some oof myy friends mighht be gay, I am not!

Anonymous said...

Is it gay for men to swim naked in pools, public or private? Is it gay to take a glimpse at other nude gys in showers and lockers to compare dick sizes and forms?

Anonymous said...

Get rid of your prejudices and of puritanism and enjoy naked swimming! The pleasure of naked swimming is incredible, you feel well with your body as you would neve feel with spedos or trunks! Get naked in a pond, river,se side,wherever you can really do it!

Anonymous said...

Bathe naked in the sea with your couple in s semi-deserted beach, then have sex with your couple on a big towel, enjoying the warm breeze...and sex of course!!!

Anonymous said...

The above text posted on July 16 is inmoral,sifully lustful; it should be erased to keep up to the standards of thsi blog!Yeh we talk and write about sex,but nots so openly or so explicitly!

Anonymous said...

ha, ha. ha!!for the July 16comment! Bathe ans swi naked, have sex in the beach naked, even organize circle jerks:who does the easier masturabation there:cutor uncut guys!

Anonymous said...

But most US males are cut.Addiction to circumcision?

Anonymous said...

Can someone explain to me here why most US males are cut? Why do they thik foreskin smells cheese, when if properly wshed daily it wont?Religious reasons are understandable but in the unique case of the US I find no explanation at all to this addiction to circcumcision, Can somebody kindly help with answerrs=

Anonymous said...

Only 50% of boys born are cut now in the US, its just an old tradition, I think its mutilation.

Anonymous said...

Why is it an old thing? What percentage of US teenagers or of 30years old US guys are circmcised? What were the reasons for such a mutilation?

Anonymous said...

US males born 30 years ago are all circumcised-

Anonymous said...

This is so true! And no Foreigner undertans why all US males are circumcised!

just me hehe said...

where are all of the hairy guys at?? Did they get asked to step aside in all of the pictures??

Anonymous said...

pubes are outmoded as aare uncut penises!

Anonymous said...

Do you prefer cut or uncut penises?

Anonymous said...

When I bend over naked and wide-open my buttocks for deep pnetration of a hard penis, as to what intense pleasures I feel, it is indifferent whether the hard rod inside me is cut or uncut!

Richard Perry said...

Swimming nude in school was a lot of fun did not find it traumatic at all.

Anonymous said...

I also grew up swimming nude in public school in Michgan for the boys swim team staring in junior high school. We should have more of these historical photos up on the internet so that we can try to promote the idea of all male nude swimming today. Why not?

Anonymous said...

Do the boys and men swim nude in the public (school) pools in Peru? Is there a swim time for all male nude swimming in Peru? Is it mix female and nude male swimmers? Or mostly nude swimming at the private pools in Peru?

Anonymous said...

Naked swimming was the norm as i grew up--It was fine with me---one exception was bending voer for diving as i hated to show my butt crack especially when the cdads including my dad came to watch practice--I do not know why this bothered me as my dad and I were fine with seeing each other naked as we often did---My butt crack was no different than others guys----but that part did bother me somewhat--I guess its just normal for a guy not to want to show his crack open---I do not know did it ever bother other guys??

Anonymous said...

I have no problems with other seeing my buutt crack, nor my penis nor my balls:bathing nked is delicious! And I am uncircumcised!

Anonymous said...

I am very proud of my taut, protruding buttocks, of my rather fat, veiny uncut penis, which when foreskin retracts, shows a big onion. shaped purplish head!
And my lovers crav for my body and my heart!!!

Anonymous said...

In Peru, men swim naked in public pools, but not mixed with women.Afterwards they shower naked,and can be naked in the locker rooms:tere is no such thing as "towel dancing".Naked in some beaches too.Asto private pools, I have a friend that has one,and we are a group of 5 friends who joinin once a week to swim naked, and we organize circle jerks.As to nadity in beaches there are a few beaches where we canbe nude.I always bring with me a big towel to spread over the sand and a guy witth a big veiny dick penetrates my wide.open buttocks, after some buuts rimming:awesome!

Anonymous said...

Comee to Peru:the land of the Incas! Itis summer down inthe Suthern Hemisphers, so you will enjoy full nudity in semi-deserte beaches near Lima,and fly to Cusco the ancient Inca Empire capital city, withInca first floors and Spanish palaces built over'em, It is an very active gay-friendly town, You will find the "brichero" who know sexual techniques inherited, generation thru generation , from the Incas; special sex refinement there, unequalled anywhere else!!! Enjoy,,,

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that many young men now refer to their genitals as their "junk". There has been a movement towards considering a beautifully functional part of our bodies as ugly and worthless. Junk? Not so. I love my cock and balls and am not offended by the sight of yours.

Anonymous said...

Huh

Anonymous said...

You are right, why "junk" ans sometimes "bits"; wwhile everything is so simple;cock and balls!! In Spanish we say; verga y pelotas,and "estaar en pelotas" means to me naked! Instead of verga you can say pinga"or "pene":penis!
So no junk, "no basura"

Anonymous said...

A flaccid penis, specially if uncut, or even cut, is no "junk" at all, secially when you see in the background those balls! And erect, how can it be "junk".The naked anatomy of men and of women is a beauty!

Anonymous said...

Yesterday, Sunday, I went to my favorite semi.deserted beach (it is Summer here in Peru) had a nice time being naked, bathing naked in the sea.I used sun-blocking cream, and halped other naked men putting some cream on their backs, they did the same to me,It was real male bonding,standing up together with a good.looking guy we eah grabbed the mate's buttocks! It was all fun, compariing penises and much more...

Anonymous said...

Semi-deserted beaches in Peru are a must;you can be naked all the time you want, stroll naked in the sandy beach, bathe and swim naked, have any kind of sex you wish; carry out some male bonding when the occasiion arises.Only non.nude users of the beach are some few scattered fishermen who won't care less whether you are naked or not!All this ggives e a sense of endless freedoom!

Anonymous said...

who hhere likes to be naked in communal showers and lockers?

Anonymous said...

It is Summer here in the Southern Hemisphere,So today I went to the beach with my black lover;totally deserted because of Xmas shopping! We got naked, swam in the sea and then o an extended towel we had the best sex ever!I rolled my clothes under my belly to upper my butts. I wide-opend my legs and then he penetrated me carefully but with a rigid hard.on, so as to pass thru the anal sphincters with least pain, Then once iiside my rectum he began to thrust in,and in and in,until I thought I had his rod up my navel,so to speak,and I moaned, moaned,Then he told me to carefully join by legs underneath him, while he sperad his;this made the rectum exercise a constraint all around his cock tht drove him crazy with incrediible pleasure, at the same time I as I constarined his cock on all sides, felt the "essence" of the hard penis, so to speak (I ca't find the ight word for it and with this utmost pleasure we both had simultaneous orgasms and cummed a lot,,,Yes we used condoms and lube! What an iincredible pleasure,He is black, tall, protruding butts and a respectable sized fat uncut penis! Oh how I did enjoy!

Anonymous said...

I like to be naked in communal showers, pools, and lockers,In fac I enjoy that very much!

Anonymous said...

Do you guys like to have sex with your gfs, in the wild open, as in a beach? And both completely naked?

Anonymous said...

In the 1960's I had a few experiences with nude swimming. For a year I went to a private boys school. It had an indoor pool and we swam naked. I didn't understand why until I went into the locker room. It didn't smell, no wet bathing suites. No rust on the metal lockers. You stripped, showered, swam, and dried off on towels they provided and got dressed. For those who lived in the dorms there were no wet bathing suites to deal with. I got used to swimming nude. Before that I had experience at scout camp. There was a central shower building and the only source of hot water. The camp served about scouts. I learned on the first day. If you wrapped a towel around your waist and walked to the showers, your towel got pulled off and you played "monkey in the middle". If you wore underwear, you got a wedgie. The best thing to do was strip at your campsite and walk to the shower building. No women on site except Saturday when new campers arrived. Jim

Anonymous said...

I often read the advice section of local newspapers. Last year I saw a question from a mother about her teenage son that relates to naked male camaraderie. The mother found out that her son and several of this wrestling team members would go to one boy's house after practice and sit in the hot tub for a while. The mother asked her son what he wore and he told her they all were naked. She asked if the boys parents knew this and his said they did. She told him this had to stop; he had to wear a bathing suit. He appealed to his father who agreed with him. The mother wrote to the advice columnist. I was surprised that the columnist, a woman, agreed with the boy and his dad. The boys change clothes together and shower together. There is parent supervision. The columnist added that is was a teachable moment to speak about boys who might be shy and want to wear something in the hot tub.

Anonymous said...

I do not understand why men were indoctrinated to believe nude camaraderie was a sexual thing. As if you must be gay if you enjoy getting naked with other men? Ridiculous. There is nothing to be ashamed about when it comes to nudity.

Anonymous said...

Nude camaraderie and naked bonding are not gay things at all.Lots of male boding was photographed during WWII for soldiers to relax;they did it naked together!

Anonymous said...

My uncut penis is clean and I have no problem retracting my foreskin.but my doctor told me better toundergo circumcision;it will be cleaner and cancer-preventing.What should I do? I wish advice, solid convincing advice'?
Would someone give me opinions,varied?

Anonymous said...

My penis is uncut and I enjoy my foreskin for wanking and for having sex.I would not circumcize it because an American dotor tells me to do it, to meet the standards of the Cut American; that is, the inmense mejority of Ameriican males!

Anonymous said...

Many Hispanic immigrants to the US wnt to be circumcised to have their penises look exactly liike thos WASP cut guys!

Anonymous said...

If you have no trouble with your foreskin, if you retract it to wash it evey day you shower,stay uncut;more then 4000 extra nerve endings wil enhance your sex pleasures, but ifyou are a US citizen, you shoudbe circumcised to be accepted by the ladies you take to bed!

Joe said...

Many gay men like the uncut and natural bush of a man. Not all, but most that I know. It is women who prefer cut and shaved men. In the US it is also often the mother who makes the decision about circumcision, and most choose cut because it is easier for the mother to clean.

Anonymous said...

I am a womann I prefer uncut and bushy;very, very sexy!!!

Anonymous said...

Who has experience n circle jerks? I am beginning to participate in soem but do not have enough experience,Maysomedocy be of help? Thanks in advance!

Brett said...

Interesting. I knew some of this, but not all and the history. I know my dad said when he was in the navy, he was naked from the waist down in photo they take when you finished with their dr. exams/physicals.

I recently went to a private all male resort that has a clothing optional policy. I had a blast and actually allowed myself to have a good time. I was free to just be myself. The experience was so de-stressing that I am going to go back in a month before they close the outdoor pool for the season. I was afraid that the experience would be "skeezy" and debated going for awhile. I finally said what the heck and went. best get a way I have had in a long time.

Anonymous said...

Where do I find in the US places to be naked with others, like swimming pools or sauna like the experience told in the above post?

Anonymous said...

who likes "teabaging"? Who does not know what that means?

Anonymous said...

When I was in High School the boys swam completely naked in gym class. This was in the late 70's and early 80's. It was nothing to us. As early as the 4th grade I remember being told that it was MANDATORY to shower after gym class. The gym teacher called us over. He said that the other teacher were complaining to the principal. Now the principal was letting the gym teachers know that they must let all students aware that it is mandatory to shower after PE. The reason was simple. The kids were all hot and stinky after running around in PE. They went to their next class with body order that was offensive. We all showered naked. I never ever remember any kid in the showers in anything but his birthday suit. We honestly never thought a second thing about it. As I mentioned we swam totally nude with all our classmates on many occasions. The only question I have is how did guys get so shy today. I was a skinny kid with a small winky. I didn't care. I was still a skinny kid with a small winky with my clothes on too. If the truth hurts so be it. It's just a God given body part. The devil or some being from outer space didn't put our winkys on us shortly after we were born. It's no different than someone seeing my bare feet, or hands without gloves. Young people today are all image and no substance. They act tough, but are exceptionally insecure. A young guy today can't even find a date. Put down the controller and get out of the house dude. Stop texting and go talk to a girl, or a guy if that is your thing.

Anonymous said...

abolition of nudity in pools, showers and lockers began in the US when a student was so shy of being naked that his parents started a lawsyuit against the institution for "invasion of privacy"The judged ruled against the institution,which suppressed nudity because lawyers fees were high;there were similar lawsuits in other States,,and nudity disappeared! Incredible but true!

Anonymous said...

What percentage of US males born in the 1980 were circumcised, ans how many males are circumcised at birth today (in the US)?

Joe said...

One source I found says that 91% of boys born in the 1970s, and 83% of boys born in the 1980s were circumcised. Today, that number is around 54% of infant boys are circumcised each year. I hate that the number is still that high and I wish infant circumcision for instances other than religion would be banned completely.

Anonymous said...

A great post and discussion. Thank you allowing comments on it.

I'd like to suggest that the "sexual revolution" lies behind the sea-change in attitudes on communal male nudity, precisely because the result (perhaps not the intent, but the result) of that movement was to uncouple sex from love.

Prior to this period in America, the expected norm was that sexual activity would be between people who felt emotions for each other, and in a private setting. Certainly there were exceptions (and lots and lots of hypocrisy) but sexual relations were thought of in primarily this way. It was our mutually-agreed-upon societal ideal.

Children were taught this ideal. Society supported it. Communities encouraged it. For a male to be nude in the presence of other males was not considered sexual, and not only because the awareness of homosexuality was low - sex was thought of a private thing coupled (ideally) to love. Getting naked for sex was something very separate from getting naked to swim or hang out or work out. One was profoundly private and only whispered about; the other was thought of as "no big deal."

I'm old enough to remember this period, and can testify that when homosexual men were talked about, it was in terms of them "getting with" each other, not of fear that they would corrupt men who liked women. In short, the general expectation was that ALL men would have sex, when they had it, in private and with someone they cared about, as unbelievably odd and archaic as that notion is today. Sexual nudity was understood an entirely different thing than communal nudity.

The sexual revolution, by assuring us that sex need no longer have anything to do with love, and that we should have the right to enjoy sex as a purely physical sensation without moral censure, did away with the "set apart" nature of sexual nudity as a thing reserved for private congress with one's partner and reduced the the nude body to just an erotic statement. If we all have the right to think of anyone as a potential sexual object, there can be no expectation of friendly non-sexual nudity. Comradeship dies. Suspicion reigns. The body becomes nothing more than a sexual tool and simply being naked becomes a sexual statement (or threat.) And a generation or two of this begats the towel dance.

It's a shame. The unclad male body is a powerful, beautiful expression of God's love and creation. It can do many, many things: climb a mountain, run a race, swim a river, tell a joke, be a friend. But since sometime around 1970, it lost the ability to be anything other than a frame for a penis; a thing of lust or shame, or both.

Ironically, the death of modesty and shame was also the death of nude camaraderie.

Joe said...

You make some very valid points that I pretty much agree with. Though I think sex out of love has always been around, I think you're right that the sexual revolution made it less of a taboo subject and forced nudity to become taboo.

Anonymous said...

That is solely in the US; in Latin America, allmen are nake in lockers and showers! No big deal! We are not puritans!

Anonymous said...

In Latin America, we swim naked in pools, we do some kinds of exerciss naked, we are naked inSummer in semi-deserted beaches, we have sex naked ,ha ha, we shower naked in communal showers, we are all uncircumcised, we retract foreskin to wash and soap when showering.and we use condoms!!! How would Americans learn some of this....

Anonymous said...

NO,we do not have to learn anything from Foreigners like you.We adhere to a pro-circumcision policy,being circumcised is cleaner,better for sex.protects penis against STDs, good for giving head. If not why do you think almost all US males are circumcised. The US is the most advanced country in the world,Latin Americann are no example to us, liiving in dirty shantytowns,so those uncut penises smell cheese.....!

Anonymous said...

Oh no! Being circumcised is an essential part of American culture;so make up your mind to that fact!

Anonymous said...

Yes, at the end of the 19th Century Mr Kellogg )Corn Flakes) ued his money to convince doctors and religious leaders that circumcision prevented youths from masturbating (a horrible sin) and that is why the Bible instituted circumcision for the Jews.So Circumcision has become widespread in the US,many dudes don't know what an uncut penis looks like. Has circumcision prrevented anyone from masturbating ? I guess not. Jews and Muslims do thaat for religious reasons and Americans for avoid wanking! Ha Ha

Anonymous said...

What about nudity among US military? US troops fought in WWI, in WWII, in Korea, Viet Nam,Irak, and now bombs ISIS.Do those soldiers bathe with bathing suits like US civilians or do they bathe naked? And in infamous Viet Nam bothels, where beds were side by side, did soldiers f...k in uniform or naked, een if they saw whta their neighbor was doing?

Anonymous said...

Soldiers bathe naked...As to Viet Nam brothels there were the "movable" ones, which were a small distance of equally movabel battle fronts...Bed side by sise, sure,yes and in Saigon too.Soldiers were very horny,what they wanted was urgent sex withoout bothering at all what their naked neighbor was doing..Battle stress makes soldierr horny...What do soldiers do now in places like Afghanistan is not public since they cannot have sex with enemy Muslim women.They turn slowly into gayness; nudity first, blowjobs next andd you might guess the rest...

Anonymous said...

I would like to know the name and location of the all male private resort you mentioned in your post regarding male camaderie. If you see this, can you publish this info in a new posting, please?

Anonymous said...

I would like the name and location of the all male resort you mentioned. If you see this can you please publish this info in a reply post. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

ANAWER TO POST FROM AUG. 27; "We have nothing to learn from Foreigers"...Tha learn fron Native Indians.With this excepation you ALL have Foreign ancestry you try to deny.As for shantitowns it has nothing to do withe being uncut;allEuropeans are uncut and Where are their shantytowns? Circuncision eliminates some 4000 sex-sensitive nerve endings that are situated in the frenulum and foreskin. foreskin and glans can be easily washed retracting foreskin and this is taught in schools!

Anonymous said...

Stop this discussion relation suppsed shantytowns to bing uncut.Almost all males in the planet are uncircumcised, except for Jews ans Muslims (religious reasons) and US males, for no reson at all. Do not berate uncut males, they love their foreskins and frenulums which gives them extra pleausure they do not want to lose as you cut guys lost yours!

Anonymous said...

What about the Viet Nam war brothels near battlefields and in Saigon? Nobody knows about that, or has read about that,or has had personal experiences in those brothels?

Anonymous said...

What do the Viet Nam vets say about those brothels?

Anonymous said...

The Viet Nam vets who read this blog are gay,so they know nothing about brothels! Although it ia said there were homosexuality practices among soldiers,It ws published once in those tiems that there existed an all-male brothel in Saigon.Are these allegations true?

Anonymous said...

The problem now is with US soldiers serving in Afghanistan and Irak.Or who served there,Access to Moslem women is impossible: so how do they satsfy their sexual needs?They are young and with lots of testosterone...I haveth versiio of a friend who served overseas and can publish it if someone else comments about this!

Anonymous said...

What abot the US soldiers in Afghanistan and Irak;no Moslem women available there,Those soldiers were young and how did they dal with thr sexual desires? Well, at first,wanking,then got tired of it and blowjobs came by and there ahve been reports of sexual penetration between two soldiers; a not unommon practice over there. with no women!

Anonymous said...

This blog,as a whole has the biggest collection of circumcised dicks,it reflects US male reality!

Anonymous said...

Circumcision is healthy, it is a must ! No cheese, less STDS! That is why almost all us Americans are circumcised and we are the most healthy and clean people in the world! Yes or no?

Anonymous said...

A dick is a dick, circumcised or not! That is, if you like dicks!

Anonymous said...

The last comment is SO TRUE!

Anonymous said...

Now it is hot summer in the Southern Hemisphere,Come to Lima, Peru and find deserted beaches where you can bathe naked, have sex on a big towel,but bring a hat and sun.blocking creams;you will enjoy as you never did before,And ten, fly to Cusco and Machu Picchu;learn the anient Inca sex techniques

Anonymous said...

Be naked in saunas, lockers, pools, showers,,,,and now in Summer in desertd beaches! Where is that? In Lima, Peru!

Anonymous said...

In the Southern Hemisphere we are in Summer and a hot one because of the "Niño" sea current.You can enjoy its beaches with a broad brimmed hat, dark sun glasses a good sun-blocking cream and nothing els for the beach.Nudity, no prudishness nor towel dancing! Guess where that is!

Anonymous said...

Has anyone seen handsome Marco Rubio naked? Has some lady have sex withh gim in college or before he married? If so describe,please!

Anonymous said...

Nobody seen Marco Rubio naked;he attended High School,College and Ubiversity,in Miamia, a warm-weather State!

Anonymous said...

People would say today we were forced to swim naked in high school---I suppose it was 'forced' but we never thought of it that way---it was just the way it was and we did not question it--Maybe some guys did not like it and looking back I am sorry they had to endure the experience---but at the time most of us thought nothing of it like alot of things back in the 60's we just did it

Anonymous said...

Nudity "per se" depends;nobody enjoys being naked in front of a doctor for testicles or rectal exam, but most love to be naked with friends in swimming pools, or participate in circle jerks!

Anonymous said...

Circle jerks are fantastic!!!Try!!!!

Anonymous said...

I'm a gay male and have always found that clothes optional means take all your clothes off whether you want to or not. And if you don't be prepared to feel awkward. REDICULAS! Why is it that gay men must be nude together anytime their near water? I don't get it?

Anonymous said...

My girlfriend and I are havng a male baby.The pediatrician insists we shoudhave him circumcised because of hygiene and because most American males are circumcised. do not know what to do! I akk for advice about this important decision I have to take. Thanks in advance!

Joe said...

I'm wholeheartedly against circumcision. If I'd had the choice is have said no but I wasn't given a choice. A great deal of sensitivity is lost through circumcision.

Anonymous said...

I wish more opinions about if we should circumciseour babay to be born soon and we heartily thank for the brave opinionabove against what our peditrician counseled! Pleas give your candid views,so we will have more elements to decide well!

Anonymous said...

Young dudes doo not like to sho themselves naked in locker rooms because of fear of beingphotographed with cell phones withhout realizing the photo is being taken.Cell phones canbe so small and easy to takeout from a pocket and hidden rapidly afte pc is taken,specially if pic shows face!Not to say about guys having boners and being photographed at that moment,with face showing!

Anonymous said...

When I was at school (in the UK in the 1970s)we ALWAYS had to shower after PE. No arguments and no questions. The showers were communal and we just went in naked leaving our towels outside.
Moving up to date, the gym I attend has communal showers but I have observed that generally younger guys don't use the urinals but choose to pee in one of the stalls. There doesn't seem to be a reason for this. Anybody got any ideas?

Anonymous said...

When will nude swimming for males ccome back in the US,as well s nudity in showers and lockers?

Anonymous said...

Where can I swim and take showers naked in the US? Are there no swimming pools for that purpose?

Anonymous said...

There's been an upswing in 'dabblers' with millennials, but millennials are even weirder about nudity: A LOT of millennials will take nude or even sexually explicit selfies, but only the more athletic ones strip in the locker room.

Anonymous said...

Many American men aren't circumcised. There are generational and ethnic trends involved.

Anonymous said...

Interestingly, one aide effect of overprescription of Prozac has been a decline in pedophiles.

Anonymous said...

Some of us, even those of us born in Reagan's America, had a jerkoff buddy or two growing up. For me, it started on a camping trip. Which brings us back to nude swimming.

But it never progressed to oral or anal.

Anonymous said...

Not really a tradition except among Jews, Muslims, Filipinos, and some recent immigrants from Africa. For most Americans who circumcise their sons, it's woowoo: The disease changes, but the remedy stays the same.

Anonymous said...

I'm younger than a lot of guys here, born in 1983. I think it was a mix of women's lib and Phyllis Schlafly. Yeah, Shitfly really screwed the country over, and her parting gift was endorsing Trump. (I like to think her personal hell is knowing all about his private life.) The 80s were a period of witch hunts. (Seriously, look up Michelle Remembers and how many lives it ruined.) People thought pedophiles were hiding in the bushes to kidnap your boys.

Where I grew up, we did swim nude in lakes and streams, but not at the Y or the public pool. As I started puberty (Funny story, I was the youngest of my friends, but I started puberty first.), we did circle jerks, rubbing dicks together. I even sometimes stretched my foreskin over the token white boy's dick. We never did penetration, though.

One thing I have noticed is the transition from one shower room to a bunch of one-head rooms, and from one giant basin for a urinal to separate urinals to separating those with partitions.

Anonymous said...

Feminism ruined nude male swimming. Men should demand to have our own male-only spaces again.

Anonymous said...

I go to a Y in the morning and there are mostly older men in the locker room and shower. We all shower in a communal shower and walk around naked in the locker room and it's no big deal (no pun intended). We all have the same body parts but we all look different, we are not identical. If guys want to look at others and compare what other guys look like, so what. Some refer to it as junk. I don't know why. I don't consider mine or any other guy's to be junk. As far as I know nobody has a problem and everyone feels comfortable with being naked around others. The younger men are the ones that it bothers. We older guys grew up being naked around others in school locker rooms and in the military so we have no problem.

Anonymous said...

The Y and other men-only gyms and sauna clubs were so different in the past. Everyone was totally relaxed about being nude around other guys. We all swam nude (which was required) and then also used the open communal showers, steam rooms, sauna and whirlpool all buck naked. A lot of guys even shaved nude. Some clubs had sun decks where the guys sunbathed naked. The most anyone ever had on were maybe a pair of flip flops. No one wrapped towels around themselves. It was an all-male environment so there was no reason to.

Anonymous said...

I enjoy being a hairy male senior nudist.. I notice at the RV parks. In the locker room. We're all totally naked together... Discussing our RV adventures....Being circumcised I learned they could tell I was born in the U S A...

Peter Gant said...

I remember swimming naked in elementary school.Thought nothing about it. That was back in the early '50s

Paul LeValley said...

For a list of American high schools where boys swam nude, see http://www.tnsprofessorsig.org/nude%20swimming%20in%20school.html. Add more if you can.